Cristian
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Recently a colleague of mine showed me a post on an FB group made by the famous SEO guru Neil Patel posting WTBs (want to buy) posts claiming he wants to buy thousands of black hat based backlinks.
Truth be told I never liked the guy, read a lot of his articles but always consider he went over the tops on his claims plus he always had click bait headlines, never learned something of value from his posts.
This made me wonder, apart from the obvious subject of the SEO "guru" that buys backlinks on FB to cheat ranks, what other blackhat SEO communities are out there and how do you join a secret one?
I know a couple of popular forums and I won't listed them here, but are any of you active on such forums? Are there any secret communities?
How do I join such a community and what are the things I need to look after?
I've seen a dozen of sellers selling all sorts of "software" and tools that claim to automize a lot of SEO work, especially link building, but do these tools actually work in the real world? Are they worth buying? Because I've tried buying certain tools in the past and I always found you needed a lot more things, stuff like proxy lists, socks, etc.
My gut tells me few people will share stuff that actually works because no one is going to share a method or software that actually works with other people, I personally would keep it for myself, giving me the edge, if everyone is doing it then chances are that method will soon become useless.
What do you think? Are there any secret blackhat SEO communities out there?
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This falls into that saturated method field since it started to get harder and harder for him to use the software and make money off of it, so he sold it to people wanting to make money with it. He actually made more money selling the software as a membership and started paying a programmer to updated it all the time with new features to fight the search engines. It worked for a while, but it began to be too much work in the end and he eventually stopped it.
I agree with you when you say that something being shared probably won't work because it's saturated, or soon to be. I know some people who make software for themselves, or a some sort of system, and once it gets outdated or of almost no use to them, they sell it to the masses who eagerly buy it up just because of the convincing sales page lol :D
One guy I know paid around $10,000 for a custom piece of SEO software which had every little detail in it that he could think of, which made it pretty amazing. Once the search engines began to fight back on the type of SEO he used the software for, he started up a membership website and was easily making $10,000 a month off of it for at least 3 years :D This falls into that saturated method field since it started to get harder and harder for him to use the software and make money off of it, so he sold it to people wanting to make money with it. He actually made more money selling the software as a membership and started paying a programmer to updated it all the time with new features to fight the search engines. It worked for a while, but it began to be too much work in the end and he eventually stopped it.
These secretive SEO mastermind groups do exist, I'm actually in a few that are free but they're invite only. I've seen forums where you can be considered a mastermind of SEO, but you have to pay like $50 to $150 a month just to be in there. I tried out a few of them, but the amount of people in there is very low and not much content is being pushed around because no one wants to give up their money making methods.
One of the skype groups that I'm pretty active in is actually a group that branched off of a bigger skype group which was basically a filtered group of the original. We have bout 50 people in it, 20 or so being active, and we bounce ideas off of each other in there and help out if we can. I actually got into amazon merch because I was talking to a friend in that group and he was helping me out with the entire process. I would have had no clue about it if it weren't for him :)
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As for black hat SEO software. There are some that do work to increase rankings with yes. If you use that software properly and do it at the right speed and don't get sloppy or hit at it too hard which is how a lot of noobs were getting slapped in the past for doing. And yes if you plan on doing it on a big scale of any kind other than just using for your site or two, like such as for clients to sell black hat SEO services to, then you will need proxies and socks and emails and accounts and all of that that goes with it in time. It just goes with it on that scale.
And you're right in that why would they sell it, including software and methods, if those methods are working. Why not keep it to them selves? Well they do and they don't. They do do it and they also sell it as well because there are so many people that will buy into this exclusivity thinking they have something that's going to help them cheat their way to the top and a lot of people do buy into that and that's why they do it because it's simply just too much money for them to leave on the table! You don't approach them, they approach you! There's a lot of black hat forums out there and other black hat sites, communities and portals and things you can join, but the secret ones aren't really a secret if they're using a publicly accessible forum even if they do make it so you have to register and sign in first before you can read and post in their threads and discussions. But mostly, the place you would hear about any such secret black hat community, forum or portal would be on black hat related forums and blogs and the like. You'd hear it through the grapevine in some way, either someone bragging about their membership to it and trying to use it as leverage for something like trying to sell some black hat service of some kind. And there are indeed black hat communities out there that are kind of exclusive to only certain people. Mostly they would be big users and names on some of the biggest black hat forums and blogs we've seen the past decade. And those people would probably be approached or poached from that place to get them to join their place instead. They call it "secret" as to add some hype to it and give it an exclusive feel. But in reality it's just someone trying to build up another black hat community and coin in on that. This is why you are often asked to "upgrade" your account or buy a membership package which can run into thousands. As for black hat SEO software. There are some that do work to increase rankings with yes. If you use that software properly and do it at the right speed and don't get sloppy or hit at it too hard which is how a lot of noobs were getting slapped in the past for doing. And yes if you plan on doing it on a big scale of any kind other than just using for your site or two, like such as for clients to sell black hat SEO services to, then you will need proxies and socks and emails and accounts and all of that that goes with it in time. It just goes with it on that scale. And you're right in that why would they sell it, including software and methods, if those methods are working. Why not keep it to them selves? Well they do and they don't. They do do it and they also sell it as well because there are so many people that will buy into this exclusivity thinking they have something that's going to help them cheat their way to the top and a lot of people do buy into that and that's why they do it because it's simply just too much money for them to leave on the table!
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