Beverly
Level X3
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For me, a forum is just a hobby, and there is no money in my personal budget to promote the forum. That means, I'm not buying ad space or paying for backlinking services.
It's always been this way. I like promoting my sites (including forum) using free methods as it allows for more creativity.
Some people say paid advertising is better. And, that's debatable. If you have the money to spare and know what you are doing, then you should pay for forum promotion.
Otherwise, use the free resources available such as social marketing; forum signatures; blog commenting; press releases, etc.
How do you promote your forum or site when you don't have money to spend?
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I am looking at starting a site and do not have that much cash. I guess that I will have to do some looking and find some ways to promote it for free. I like the idea of forum posting, but do all sites allow you to have a signature?
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Having a related blog on the same site as your forum is a good way to promote the forum as you can always cross link to new forum posts as they are made.
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Having a related blog on the same site as your forum is a good way to promote the forum as you can always cross link to new forum posts as they are made.
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What niche will your site be in? If it's related to internet marketing or SEO there are plenty of forums that allow a signature line and it won't be too hard to earn. Niche forums are a little more picky about allowing signatures. But usually you can get a signature line on gamer forums.
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No Tionna they all do not and some will only let you have one after you have become an established member.
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Why can you usually get signature lines on a gamer forum?
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- guest posting on blogs thematically related to your forum
- writing bunch of usefull posts on forums related to yours with link to your forum in signature
- seo for main phrase that describe your forum
- facebook and social media fanpages,
- ask your friends, maybe they can be interested to involve in life of your forum
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Facebook groups is another good place to promote a niche forum. Find a Facebook group that relates to your forum niche and get actively involved there. Over time, you will find a way to communicate about your own forum on this Facebook group, without overtly spamming, maybe through subtle recommendation.
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For my biggest forum much of my traffic comes from Reddit. Lots of webmasters forget that one among the social sites, but it can be a goldmine, and good backlinks too :)
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For my biggest forum much of my traffic comes from Reddit. Lots of webmasters forget that one among the social sites, but it can be a goldmine, and good backlinks too
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And, what is your site/blog about? Maybe Reddit works for some sites better than others, so it would be good to know what your niche is.
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I am looking at starting a site and do not have that much cash. I guess that I will have to do some looking and find some ways to promote it for free. I like the idea of forum posting, but do all sites allow you to have a signature?
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Also, some forums forbid links to other similar forums. So for instance, if you have a gamer forum you would not be able to advertise via signature line on other game forums. This could vary from one forum to another, so you will want to read the rules as some allow links to forums that are similar nature and some do not.
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